Verizon email users

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Members of this forum who have their email accounts at Verizon might be interested in reading this article.

Email from Europe to Verizon accounts are all treated as spams as if all spams would originate from Europe...

Verizon media relations manager Ells Edwards told Wired that he didn't know when the ISP would lift its blockade. "Normally these things abate in a matter of days," Edwards said.

Verizon three million DSL customers waiting for emails from Europe were advised to use alternative forms of communication. "If it's really important you might want to make a phone call," he said.

If you are a verizon customer - and dont get emails from Europe - complain to you ISP or better change ISP! According to Verizon's policy email from Europe iis SPAM by definition and default. From what I see most of the spams are delivered via email addresses ending in hotmail.com, msn.com and yahoo.com... The originating IP-numbers can mostly also be found either in USA and in Asia.

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Indeed Verizon could have achieved much better results in spam prevention by blocking all US based IPs. Reducing over 90% of spam would have been much more heartily welcomed by users than the mere 2% or so. Of course, that would have reduced wanted email as well, but all remedies tend to have some side effects...

Jaska

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Today's spams...

One example...

Since morning some 39 spams dropped into one of my email inboxes. 37 of these I could trace to an US IP number. All spams that were non-pornographic tried to sell american products - all exept an "Authentic Reproduction Wristwatch" -spam which sold stuff produced in Singapore.

The porn & drug spams seem to come from all over the world, mostly US IP-numbers and Japan. CitiBank etc "please give me your ATM codes" -emails can be traced to the US...

I'm afraid the American ISPs should look in the mirror before ponting fingers at Europe! ISPs such as Verizon should be taught a lesson and see their customers leave them for other ISPs.

Likewise the "email accounts for free" -type of services should be shut down since they are one of the biggest collectors of valid email addresses. These adressed are then sold to "direct marketing".

Well - the spams are now safe in the bit bucket where they belong.

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Of course, Verizon is afraid of the law! They cannot block spam based on the content as it could be from US.
Quote from Spamhaus :
[United States set to Legalize Spamming on January 1, 2004]
Some spammers are claiming that CAN-SPAM not only allows them to spam legally but that it protects them further by also making it illegal for anti-spam systems to block their spam. In fact, while CAN-SPAM is an abysmally poor law, at least it does have some parts which attempt to address the issue of blocking spam, specifically it states that the law does not impact an ISP's ability to determine and enforce its own policies for transmission of email (i.e: through the use of blocklists or whatever means the ISP likes). This means that spammers cannot sue ISPs for blocking the mail they send claiming that the ISP must accept and deliver it based on the Federal law.

Fortunately ISPs in Europe can use whatever means to block spam. Unfortunately they don't seem to do it free.

Jaska

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Top 10 Worst Spam Countries

Forgot to include the link to statistics at Spamhaus. Look here

Jaska

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Verizon still blocking...

Well, it is almost 8 months since the last post that I could find about Verizon, on the forum. As a Verizon user, who is not very happy with them, I can agree with much of what has been said before, and add a bit more.

Now, Verizon blocks some, but not all servers in Europe. They also block many servers in Japan. I know this because the companies I do business there are blocked. I receive my client's and colleague's mail from Japan on my free accounts, because Verizon does not block those servers. Curious though, I receive much spam on Verizon address; no (and I mean NO) spam, on the free accounts.

Could this be a problem with Verizon's choice of software to block spam?

Nicholas

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Verizon contd.

Nothing has happened during these months. Verizon is still boycotting the email server we use when emailing - for example - from Finlander.

During the last week abt. 5-10 notices about PMs from one Finlander member to another was refused by the Verizon email servers. The last PM was to wm.dahlin ((at)) verizon.net...

These messages haven't reached their recipients thanks to Verizon

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more Verizon

I sent mail to Finlander member dmjay from 5 different addresses to his verizon address. Only one arrived, but the next day also this way was blocked.
Verizonusers: verizon is completely unreliable; you never know how much mail dosn't come trough...

Hasse Andtbacka

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Verizon contd.

Just a moment ago again a message that bounced...

<xxx.xxx(at)verizon.net>: 
host relay.verizon.net[206.46.232.11] said:
[b]550 You are not allowed to send mail:sv10pub.verizon.net [/b]
(in reply to MAIL FROM command)

...so if you Verizon customers (and there are a few of you out there among the Finlander members) want to get email from Europeans, please either switch your email account to another ISP or try to get Verizon to become more aware of the situation. The number of bounces coming each day is becoming disturbing.

As things are just now - Verizon and Verizon customers simply are saying that they won't accept email from Europe. If this would be traditional snail mail - wouldn't you react? Censurship??

Hasse

Edit: today's total 4 bounced email messages from Verizon! Perhaps it would be better to post messages to the discussion forum instead of having all the discussion person-to-person over PMs? If the content isn't too private of course... /Hasse

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Verizon

...still going strong.

I notice that people - even Finlander members - are switching over to Verizon. Today I again got a message that a member has become a Verizon customer. Of course I cannot email him to say that he will probably never get an email again from most of the Finnish email servers. Bye bye contacts to Finland!!

But as the manager at Verizon states in a web page: "Verizon three million DSL customers waiting for emails from Europe were advised to use alternative forms of communication. "If it's really important you might want to make a phone call," he said.

Dear Verizon users: If you intend to get email from Europe - please force Verizon to accept the emails coming from us. Verizon don't listen to us, probably we are living to near the old iron curtain...or is it so that the US is guarding itself from messages from the rest of the world as did the Soviet Union before...?

Boycott Verizon!

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Verizon is blocking ranges of IP addresses belonging to British and European ISPs (the IP space from RIPE, APNIC, and more) in a misguided attempt to reduce spam. Domains are only unblocked following complaints, with Europeans effectively treated as guilty till proven innocent.

• Verizon Blocks EMail from Western Europe to Avoid Spam
• Verizon, heal thyself
• Verizon blocks European email by default.
• Verizon persists with European email blockade
• ...

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The US censorship still in use...

...ie. no emails get though to you Verizon customers.

...rejected by relay.verizon.net:
 550 You are not allowed to send mail:sv20pub.verizon.net...

Seems like no Verizon users show any activity to secure that their email will get though???!!! Aren't you Verizon users at all bothered about not getting your email? In the former Soviet Union they had no choice -- but you should have!

From now on I will not manually forward messages intended to Verizon users via other emailing channels. No messages that you have got new personal messages. No password resets.

Those who have Verizon email accounts and haven't discussed the problem with their ISP simply have to suit themselves... I have made you aware of the problem during the past year without any noticable changes. Either no one of you Verizon customers have contacted your own ISP or Verizon simply doesn't care. But since Verizon doesn't trust Europeans it means that you Verizon customers have to react. No one else can do anything about it. -- Have you btw signed contracts with Verizon where Verizon has the right to censur your email??? -

So Verizon customers - go call your ISP today. It is your duty and your ISP's responsibility to stop the censorship of email from Europe! Otherwise -- you will not get email from Europe and Finlander in the future either!

From a fed up and frustrated webmaster fighting the windmills

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Verizon

Hasse

My ISP is verizon but I use Yahoo as my e-mail provider.
Since I switched to Yahoo I have had no problem in getting
my e-mail from Finland or Sweden. Will I be cut off from
Finlander Forum becuase my ISP is Verizon. Verizon is
my only DSL provider at this time.

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William,

Nobody will be cut off from Finlander, but since many of the Finlanders are still using Verizon email addresses I will not manually process all the so called "bouncing" emails when for example another Finlander member is trying to send a message to a Verizon user.

But - I underline - nobody is being kicked out!

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Verizon

Just want everyone to know that I provided my relatives an alternate email address after I switched to Verizon.net in March. In the past week I have received 3 emails - 2 from Finland and 1 from Sweden into my Verizon account without any trouble.