Susanna Wilhelmina Lind & Johan Theodur Happ-Hopp-Hoppe

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Susanna Wilhelmina Lind was born June 5, 1851 in Urjala.
She married Johan Theodur Happ-Hopp-Hoppe on June 22, 1878.
She (they?) moved to Jamsaan on December 15, 1896.

I would like to know 1) the names of her mother and father; 2) the names and birthdates of her children; 3) the date and place she died; and 4) the date and place her husband died.

She was my great-grandmother and I have her wedding ring. Three of her daughters emigrated to the US via Canada between 1911 and 1913. Two settled in Minnesota, the third in Seattle, Washington.

I would be very grateful if someone would help me answer these questions.

Arlis J.

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Hi Arlis!

The links open only to members of FFHA
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/index_eng.htm

On the list of upcoming books, i see the communion books
of Urjala 1849-1864, then maybe Susannas parents can
be found?


http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivu...=7498&pnum=105

Viilari Juho Theodor Hoppe 09.11.1849 Helsinki
vaimo Susanna Wilhelmina Juhontytär Lind 05.06.1851 Urjala
poika Kalle Viktor 16.01.1881 Tampere


http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivu...=7504&pnum=222
The book of children to viilari Juho Theodor Hoppe and Susanna Vilhelmina Lind

Kalle Viktori 16.01.1881 Tampere
Juho William 08.09.1884 Tampere
Hilda Wilhelmina 11.07.1886 Tampere
Jenny Sofia 23.01.1889 Tampere
Blur, one more child born in Tampere 1892, maybe a female



Tapio

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Hello, Tapio!
Thank you for this information! It's so nice to have accurate dates now. My uncle had hired someone to research his dead wife's (my mother's sister) history some 20 years ago, but the dates were very mixed up due, I think, to his secretary transposing days and months when she typed up the information.

Also, my uncle's hired researcher lists two additional sons: Frans Theodor, b. 20.3.1879, and Gustaf Adolf, b. 8.12.1882. The youngest daughter that is too blurred for you to read is my grandmother, Signe Marjana, b. 24.3.1892. We always thought she was born in 1895; now I know she lied about her age by 3 years, even at the time she left Helsinki! Did 18-year-olds get cheaper passage than a 21-year-old?

Again, thank you very much, Tapio!

Arlis/Minnesota

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Hi!

Thank You for the thanking Arlis!

I´m always curious, i wonder if You have followed
the Hoppe lineage?


Tapio

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Tapio,

No, I couldn't because I didn't know who his parents were, and I just found this site a couple weeks ago. When I posted my question about the farms, and no one answered that, I was beginning to think no one would answer any of my questions because of my free-mail with Yahoo (Hasse's message). You are my first responder!! I am very happy and grateful to hear from you.

Arlis

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Hi!

I am not a member of The Genealogical Society of Finland,
but those who are, have acces to a database over soldiers.

Maybe a member who reads this could take a peek on the
name Hoppe?



Hamiltonin rykmentti - Hamiltonska regementet - all
Christened

Born Christened Village Farm Father Mother Child



27.2.1797 28.2.1797 sold. Magnus Hopp Christ: Björck 26 Johan (tv.)

27.2.1797 28.2.1797 sold. Magnus Hopp Christ: Björck 26 Johanna (tv.)

17.8.1798 18.8.1798 sold. af Bar. Leijonh: C. no 80 Magn. Hopp Christ. Björck Anna Christina

2.4.1801 3.4.1801 sold. af Öfv. L. Leijonhuf. C: 50 Magnus Hopp Christina Björck 31 Carl Magnus

3.4.1804 4.4.1804 corp. af Öfv. L. Lejonhuf: C: 80 Magn. Hopp Christ. Björck 34 Johan Magnus



Buried

Age

Died Buried Village Farm Person Cause yrs m. w. d.

28.7.1801 s. Carl Magnus slag 4

relative: sold. af Öfv. L. Lejonhuf: C: Hopp

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirj..._kk2-3/738.htm


Tapio

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Hello!

A few lucky matches.

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirj...ko23-27/40.htm
Number 221 06.07.1778 Johan Theodor Hopp to Tampere from Helsinki



http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirj...mko1-6/231.htm
Number 299 06.07.1778 Johan Theodor Hopp from Helsinki to Tampere,
on the right reference to the churchbook 2-715


http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirj...70-198/715.htm
Johan Magnus Hopp 03.04.1805 former underofficer widow
Frans Emil 28.12.1863 tailor student, i´m not sure if this is a son?
Johan Theodor Hopp 09.11.1849
Hilda Sophia Hopp 15.12?1860 drowned 13.08.1880

Yes, Frans Emil is a son
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirj...ko1-40/539.htm

Tapio

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Tapio,

I'm amazed with all the information you keep turning up! So what was this Leijonhuf place, and where was it? Was it a military post with barracks and many other soldiers?

It appears that the firstborn twins must have died.

I'm very, very grateful Tapio.

Arlis

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Hello Arlis!

Well i´m on my, one week winter holiday and the temperature
outside has been around -20 celsius. So it´s been great for me to spend
time on the computer, inside the warm house.


I think soldier Hopp served in Colonel Lejonhufvuds(Lionhead)company,
in the Hamilton regement also called Her Majestys Widowqueens liferegement.

I think this is the place for both Hamiltons regement and Viapori seen in hiski
and FFHA records, three names: Castle of Finland or Viapori or Sveaborg.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suomenlinna

Next time i visit Helsinki, i´m going to check this fortress out.



Tapio

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Hi, Tapio!

It was -18 F here this morning and that is pretty cold. I have Ancestry.com World this year, so I'm going to look up all this information you've provided for me and see what else I can come up with. I read the link to Wiki on the Helsinki fortress--that was very interesting. Sounds like Soldat Johan Magnus Hopp must have indeed been posted there. It's a good thing that you suggested looking into the Hoppe line.

So long for now. I'm going to chase down the Hopp/Hoppe line on Ancestry, then go back to Susanna Wilhelmina Johansdotter Lind. Kiitos (sp?) for all your help.

Arlis

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Arlis,
Where are you from in northern MN if you don't mind me asking? I am orginally from Superior, WI across that nice little pond from Duluth, MN. Believe me I can relate to the minus 0 temps and don't miss them at all now that I am in Denver. I have fun out here telling people that on really cold days and nights you have to plug your car in. The look on peoples faces is priceless.
Goldie

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Hi, Goldie,

Well, I grew up in the Brimson-Toimi area, but now I'm living in Hibbing, on the Iron Range. I did live in Duluth for a time, though. Thank goodness, it was 'over the hill'! My husband left for Red Lake to go ice fishing this morning...the walleyes are biting.

Arlis

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Hi Arlis!

The Urjala books are now availabe for members, but the place
i suspected doesn´t give any proof for Susanna Wilhelmina.

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/sivu...12553&pnum=167


Urjala 1857-1864
153 Urdiala Harittu
Kivimäki torp/Uotila

Johan Johansson 7.6.1820 marriage 1848, they moved to Loimijoki 1856 nr.57
wife Caisa Johansdr 16.10.1828 Punkalaidun??

widow Anna Stina Nilsdaughter 1791 (17.01.1792)


In the library of Urjala the have the microfilms that would give the answer.
http://suvut.genealogia.fi/akaa/furjala.htm

Hope some genealogist from there reads this..


Tapio

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Tapio,
The link won't let me open. The thumbnail confused me. How many of the people listed under Johan and Caisa are living in the same house? If the register starts in 1857 and they were married in 1848, shouldn't there a be bunch of kids listed? The other husband and wife, are they living in the same house?

Arlis

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Hi, Goldie,

Well, I grew up in the Brimson-Toimi area, but now I'm living in Hibbing, on the Iron Range. I did live in Duluth for a time, though. Thank goodness, it was 'over the hill'! My husband left for Red Lake to go ice fishing this morning...the walleyes are biting.

Arlis

Hello Arlis:
I am in Superior visiting family. I can't believe all the ice fishing shacks on the lake and harbor. It more than I ever remember seeing when I lived here. Did your husband catch an walleyes?
Goldie